Terrorism now seems to be the order of the day? It will be up to the experts to Saturnalia - Various - Derailed Presents Innercity-Outerspace (CD) responsibility. I would wager Saturnalia - Various - Derailed Presents Innercity-Outerspace (CD) guess that of lack of situational awareness, poor training and high speed contributed to this disaster. The engineer contributor Bregent who was interviewed lost credibility with me when he stated that"hitting an object may have kept the engineer from braking the train".
No training necessary here. CNN reports that this happened on a stretch of the normal route, well south of the junction for the Point Defiance and Bypass routes. Casdades trains have been traveling this accident site for many years. Another 'barely competent' media outlet not worth quoting. The only rail crossing of I-5 in the area is the bridge near Dupont on the new 'bypass'.
Don't overlook ISIS potentially claiming responsibility - of course there wasn't a big boom which they favor. Never too old to have a happy childhood! Overmod is that a signal tower bunched up? I took a straight edge to the google map and a tangent to the track before the curve takes a line right into the signal. I deduce that the Charger didn't follow the curve and went almost straight ahead. I would like to think that it might have started to follow the curve before climbing the rail.
To have struck the signal means it had little deflection in the direction of the curve. Does anyone see any Saturnalia - Various - Derailed Presents Innercity-Outerspace (CD) evidence of the path of the locomotive near the signal?
Scaling off Google Maps, that's a 13 degree curve plus or minus. Mudchicken quoted 8 degree curve north of bridge and 7 degree south. Those figures are reasonable, but 13 degree is not. I am very familiar with this spot. The engine on the track was the LEAD unit. Since there are some Talgo cars off the high side of the curve North of the freeway and the rear unit looks to be south of the freeway, I think the investigation will show that the first thing to derail were at least two cars more or less in the middle and that they went flying.
Talgo cars are not supposed to do that. Likely another car started down the bank towad the high side of the curve and the oncoming rear of the train went to the inside of the curve due to resistance of the grounded car to end up on the inside of the curve.
If there are any BNSF guys on the ground, which there is no reason for other than to limit bureaucrat lies, they have it figured out already. WSDOT people have no clue. Get ready for a couple Saturnalia - Various - Derailed Presents Innercity-Outerspace (CD) years of NTSB theatre. One piece of information that the recording of the dispatcher feed is that BNSF is dispatching the Saturnalia - Various - Derailed Presents Innercity-Outerspace (CD) spur.
What do you mean by "LEAD" unit? The Seiman's Charger was on the front of the train and left the track upon entering the curve and wound up on the southbound lane of I Bus: Nothing wrong with the track. The track apparently performed as expected. The operating side can't claim that. Hay award for their work upgrading this route. Note the 'black' segment of track below I That is a segment of wood crossties with the balance of the area being laid with concrete ties.
The concrete ties are on the Tacoma side of the curve. Is there a point to the observation? I don't think concrete ties are required for high speed are they? And the curve was posted for T mph. Also, south of I-5 on the south side of the right hand curve is a section that looks like it is blacktoped. Wonder what that is. For all the evidence pointing to a simple overspeed disaster, there is no evidence that the engineering of the route had anything to do with the incident.
For all of the upgrades going on over this line, why was PTC not turned on before revenue service begins? Not that it is a requirement until the end of next year, and we can't place fault in it not being there, but it'd be an interesting piece to the puzzle.
Like Amtrak on the NEC, it appears as though both curves were due to have PTC online and functioning within months after the respective disasters. I used to be a PTC skeptic but with three passenger overspeed incidents in as many years, it is clear that the system is needed to protect passenger movements.
Consider me still a skeptic on freight-only lines, but when it comes to passenger safety, these are happening too often. It's time to finish patching up what safety holes remain in Rail. Our industry used to be the safest, but now it is not. Transportation will always involve risk. You're more likely to drive on your way to the station and trains are extremely safe.
But that does NOT excuse us from using the tools and technologies available to us to prevent accidents such as this. I cannot even picture any dynamic that would leave all the debris where it is if that engine still on the track was the lead engine. The train had to have run straight off the curve. Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow.
Electroliner Also, south of I-5 on the south side of the right hand curve is a section that looks like it is blacktoped. When you actually use Google Earth and go down to a lower eye level you can see that they are wood ties and not blacktop.
Why wood ties are at the location for that segment is the question. It has been reported that the train was traveling 80 mph in a 30 mph zone. Where did the 30 mph zone begin in relation to the curve? I understand that there was an advance warning sign. What did that sign say? Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Connect with us! Sign up for our email newsletter.
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